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Apr 02 2020 Howard Kroplick 4:31 PM

Two photos of a Sikorsky S-39B NC-888W and a registry of S-39 seaplanes have been posted.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: Willie K's Seaplane at Port Washington Marine Base in 1938 & Howard Hughes

Apr 02 2020 Howard Kroplick 2:34 PM

Spec sheets and history of the Sikorsky S-39 have been posted.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: Willie K's Seaplane at Port Washington Marine Base in 1938 & Howard Hughes

Apr 02 2020 Al Velocci 1:48 PM

Art/David,  Shortly after the Parkway was taken over by NYC wasn’t there some suggestions that the ROW be used for the coming World’s Fair ? I have a recollection that to help with the expected heavy traffic, the Parkway could be turned into a one way road, westbound in the morning and eastbound later in the day.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 02 2020 Al Velocci 1:32 PM

Howard, that section of the unused original Parkway ROW, west of the new ROW was sold back to the Wigmore Co. in 1927.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 02 2020 Al Velocci 1:03 PM

David, The info regarding the sale of properties for the new ROW an be found at Deed Libor 2692, page 379 and Libor 2696, page 255. I FORGOT TO WRITE THE DATES…..... I do know it was after July 29, 1924.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 02 2020 Al Velocci 12:47 PM

David, Best I can do at this time is that the decision to purchase the new Parkway ROW properties was made sometime after July 29, 1924.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 02 2020 Howard Kroplick 11:24 AM

David Stephan:

See Map 11C: I believe the slide shows a car that has just started eastbound on the Motor Pkwy. The dark rectangle below the white grid line.

You can clearly cars on Hillside Ave, and on the modern-day Braddock Ave (that forms a triangle with the modern-day Springfield Blvd.). Cars on Braddock enable me to match the scale of the dark rectangle.

From Interactive 1924 Aerial Survey of New York City and the Motor Parkway in Queens & Lake Success

Apr 02 2020 Art Kleiner 5:56 AM

David, thanks for the info.  Yes, I agree the RPA was tangled up in politics with Robert Moses as you note.  While reviewing the RPA material I often wonder where Moses fit in - guess we know where he eventually did (and what happened to the RPA proposal regarding the Central RR ROW).

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 02 2020 David Stephan 3:35 AM

Art, throughout the 30s, the RPA advocated express highways (which it called “freeways” starting in 1936). This freeway proposal was an updated version of an earlier proposal that sought the “priceless chance” to use the LIMP ROW for a freeway,  even as that ROW was too narrow for a freeway. (In turn, that earlier proposal could be considered an adaptation of the 1930 “parkway” proposal mentioned in a earlier comment.)

My commentary: Using the Central RR ROW had its own complications, so this proposal was more about politics than a practical idea. The proposal reflected an emerging tension between the RPA and Robert Moses. Note the RPA’s list is is dated to 11/1937, one month before Moses’s revealed his plans. Not a coincidence, I suspect.

To return to the original post, RPA’s plans overlooked what was anticipated when the LIMP western terminus was extended in 1924-26: the importance of HHB on E-W through traffic to Long Island. Finishing Item #13 only enhanced that importance.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 01 2020 Art Kleiner 8:23 PM

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From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 01 2020 Art Kleiner 8:22 PM

David, Al - The Creedmoor Parkway (Freeway) was still being seen as an urgent need as noted in the attached Regional Planning Association’s update produced in 1938.  The update noted its use of the Stewart RR, the LIRR and the Motor Parkway.  Will be noted in a future post, but thought it might spark some comment’s now.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 01 2020 Jan Edick 7:11 PM

I found a reference to Hugh Nutting with regard to Martin Tanner’s Class H sports cars. Looking for Hugh led me here. Hugh and I were neighbors as children, and met again in the late 50s in Midland, MI, before he went to Boulder. Our interests apparently still coincide, and it would be rewarding to renew our acquaintance.

From From the Hugh Nutting Collection: Insight into the Woodies of Huntington's J.T. Cantrell and Company

Apr 01 2020 S. Berliner, III 5:50 PM

Re Queens street names and numbers, I forgot to add that the late Vince Seyfried, noted Queens and LIRR historian, once did a compendious study of all that.  In case anyone is interested, I assume the Queens Hist. Soc. or the Queens (Borough) Public Library would know more about it.  Sam, III

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 01 2020 David Stephan 4:28 PM

Al V.-Borough of Queens proposed the Central RR ROW Creedmoor Parkway in 1930. In 12/1937, Robert Moses proposed his arterial highways project, revealing plans for the CIP, presented as the successor to the other parkway. As CIP construction started in 1939, references to a Creedmoor Pkwy can be dated to the 1930s.

Hillside Park is today’s Cunningham Park N of LIMP and S of 73rd Ave. Moses (again!) was trying to prevent development that would bisect his plan green belt of parks. When he finally acquired undeveloped land S of LIMP and E of FL Blvd and W of Hollis Hills Terrace, he could connect Hillside with Cunningham Parks and form one, very large park. Homes in Hollis Hills Terrace partially intrude on Moses’s park plan. [Later, the LIMP bicycle path to Alley (Pond) Park, was the final link in the interconnected green belt of parks.]

Harding’s proposal was from Queens Blvd to Lakeville Rd., but road was built in discontinuous parts.  Reusing 64th Ave (once Avenue B), which ended at FM Lane, allowed the part that included that stretch to be finished earlier.

The partial Belcher Hyde map in the 12/9/2009 post shows NB from NHT to Hollis Ct Blvd unbuilt, but NB parts east and west of that segment already built.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 01 2020 Al Velocci 11:01 AM

Hey David, Thanks for adding some clarity to the North Hempstead Turnpike/Booth Memorial scenario. When researching the western terminus of the Motor Parkway I found that area very confusing. There was a Hillside Park but then it disappeared. What ever happened to the Creedmoor Parkway?  Was that a serious consideration?  Was it supposed to located on the Central Railroad ROW ? Some help here, when Harding first proposed the building of Nassau Blvd. , I believe it was in 1924,  was the western terminus to be at Fresh Meadow Rd?  Again thanks for your input.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 01 2020 frank femenias 3:32 AM

The long “L” in Lancia resembles a long leg/foot pressing on the accelerator. Can’t explain the “c” on the toe

From Kleiner's Korner: The Motor Parkway in Advertising Part III

Mar 31 2020 Brian D McCarthy 10:11 PM

Had a notion that the Sands Point Seaplane Base wasn’t the location, too small and new. Now I realize the larger/square property just SE is the right location. Current aerial shows nature reclaiming the land.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: Willie K's Seaplane at Port Washington Marine Base in 1938 & Howard Hughes

Mar 31 2020 Rob 6:21 PM

13536 - Looks like the entrance to Harned Rd is at the top of the hill. Photographer is looking westbound.

From Mystery Foto #12 Solved: A View Along the 10-Mile Curve in Dix Hills & the "View" Postcard Series

Mar 31 2020 Jennifer Robinson 12:16 PM

Wow! Wonderful information here! Super fun to read.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: Willie K's Seaplane at Port Washington Marine Base in 1938 & Howard Hughes

Mar 31 2020 Dick Gorman 9:28 AM

Regarding the Mystery Foto #13, I see that one of the replies is from Karl Ludvigsen. The world renown Automotive Journalist/Author,Yes?
Karl, I met you a zillion years ago through mutual friend Armand Fiorenza.
Great to see you name here.
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Howard Kroplick

Yes, Karl is a regular viewer and he correctly identified Howard Hughes!

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: Willie K's Seaplane at Port Washington Marine Base in 1938 & Howard Hughes

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